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41.

Declarations of Interest (including Whipping Declarations)

To receive any Declarations and advise Members accordingly.

 

Minutes:

Councillor Ian Smith declared a personal interest in relation to agenda item 5 – Social Services Revenue Budget 2017/18.

 

42.

Minutes pdf icon PDF 106 KB

To confirm as a correct record the minutes of the meetings held on 16 November and 13 December 2017.

 

Additional documents:

Decision:

That the minutes be approved as a correct record and signed by the Chair.

 

Minutes:

(i)         The minutes of the meeting held on 16 November 2017 were received.

 

(ii)        The minutes of the meeting held on 13 December 2017 were received.

 

Matters Arising

 

Minute number 37: In response to a request from Councillor Hilary McGuill, Officers agreed to provide further information on the contact number for Children’s Services.

 

RESOLVED:

 

That the minutes be approved as a correct record and signed by the Chair.

 

43.

North Wales Population Assessment Regional Plan pdf icon PDF 112 KB

Additional documents:

Decision:

(a)       That the Committee recommends approval of the draft North Wales Population Assessment Regional Plan; and

 

(b)       That the Committee meets the challenges of delivering services in the current financial climate

 

Minutes:

The Chief Officer (Social Services)  introduced the report to review and approve the draft North Wales Population Assessment Regional Plan.  He provided background information and advised that local authorities and Health Boards were required to produce a joint area plan in response to the population assessment by 1 April 2018. 

 

The Chief Officer reported on the main considerations as detailed in the report concerning the regional priorities, response to population assessment chapters and core themes, and the overall findings.  He gave a presentation on the North Wales Regional Plan which covered the following key areas:

 

·         Children and young people

·         Older people

·         health, physical disability and sensory impairments

·         learning disabilities

·         Mental health and substance misuse

·         Carers

·         violence against women, domestic abuse and sexual violence

·         secure estate

·         Veterans

·         housing and homelessness

·         Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) 

 

The Chair thanked the Chief Officer for his presentation and invited

questions.

 

            Councillor Hilary McGuill asked what support was available for families who found themselves in a crisis situation because they were caring for an  older relative who was suffering with dementia and was neither in hospital or a nursing home.  She also referred to ASD and the need for early intervention and asked at what age children could be medicated..  The Chief Officer advised that a medical assessment was undertaken on the individual and but there was no specific age when this was carried out.

 

The Chief Officer explained that the Authority proactively supported people with dementia and referred to the respite provision and domiciliary care support services provided  to help families to cope.  The Senior Manager – Integrated Services and Lead Adults advised that the Authority also funded the North East Wales Carers Information Service which provided Crisis Careline Information  for carers and referred to the ‘bridging the gap’ scheme.  

 

Councillor Carol Ellis commented on the developing issue of homelessness and commented on the shortage of suitable accommodation, the impact this had on the behaviour of children, and the mental health of parents.

 

In response to a concern raised by Councillor Kevin Hughes regarding an increase on the number of children on the Child Protection Register, the Chief Officer explained that the 9% increase referred to in the report was regional and that there was a national increase in Wales.  The Senior Manager, Children and Workforce,  advised that the increase was due in part to a greater awareness amongst agencies around safeguarding and child protection issues and to early intervention.  He also referred to a project which was about to commence to support mothers who had repeat pregnancies and were unable to care for their children. 

 

Councillor Kevin Hughes commented on the issue of online bullying and the need to inform and work closely with schools to support pupils.  He also referred to the need to work with schools to promote healthy living and address the issue of obesity.  Councillor Christine Jones and the Chief Officer gave an assurance  that both  matters were addressed within the Authority’s Safeguarding policy.  The Senior Manager – Integrated  ...  view the full minutes text for item 43.

presentation slides North Wales Regional Plan pdf icon PDF 1 MB

44.

Social Services Revenue Budget 2017/18 pdf icon PDF 111 KB

Decision:

(a)       That the information provided in the report be accepted; and 

(b)       That the Committee reports back to the Corporate Resources Overview & Scrutiny Committee and to Cabinet.

 

Minutes:

The Chief Officer (Social Services) introduced the report to review and scrutinise key variances in revenue expenditure.  He provided background information and advised that the report provided an explanation of the current budget position, the influences in relation to overspend by service area, and the planned actions to manage the overspend through possible budget realignment to meet known service pressure and other measures.  The Chief Officer gave an overview of the financial monitoring within the following three areas of adult services, as detailed in the report.

 

            Mental Health/residential care placements

 

                        Councillor Dave Mackie queried the cost of a mental health placements and the figures within 1.05 of the report.  Officers explained that the cost of mental health placements would fluctuate  depending on the level of support required and included a range of placements both short and longer term.  Officers referred to the success with rehabilitating individuals, resulting in reduced costs for packages.  Officers also explained that joint funded placements with the Health service could be complex.    Work was done on a recovery model to support individuals to less restrictive and supervised independence. The Service Manager, Disabilities,  reiterated the success of working with people to enable them to make progress. The Chief Officer advised that the budget was insufficient to meet current service demands and to address the variances in the mental  health budget consideration was being given to a budget realignment.  He added that due to the growing demands on the service and the complex needs one placement could significantly impact the budget.

 

                        In response to a question from  Councillor Hilary McGuill regarding crisis situations and whether Health took ownership, the Senior Manager Integrated Services and Lead Adults confirmed that feedback was that Health and Social Services both acted as quickly as possible.   

 

                        The Chief Officer referred to areas of corresponding underspends and said that the department would seek to align this matter.

 

            Councillor  Carol Ellis expressed her concerns regarding the further budget savings identified of £0.450m at Stage 1 and 0.982 at Stage 2. 

 

The Committee recognised that the  implications of pressures on Health was also an important factor, with placements being funded jointly between Health and Social Services.   In addition there was an  increase in the numbers eligible for support as a result of the Social Services and Well-being Wales Act.  Councillor Carol Ellis commented  that the Mental Health/residential care placements could put the Council in a similar position to the one with  Out of County Placements a few years ago.

 

The Committee  accepted the budget position  as a result of the above explanations.

 

            Resources and Regulated Services

 

                        Councillor Dave Mackie commented on the overspend which he felt was not significant and said that due to the Social Services and Well-Being (Wales) Act there had been an increase in the number of people who were eligible for support.  He also commented on the delay in the transfer of the day and work opportunities service in moving to an Alternative Delivery Model which was also a contributing factor to  ...  view the full minutes text for item 44.

45.

Transition pdf icon PDF 1 MB

Additional documents:

Decision:

(a)       That the purpose of the Transition Service be noted; and

(b)       That the Committee recognised the action taken to reduce local college costs and encourage further efforts to achieve more resilience within the 21 Century Schools Programme.

 

Minutes:

The Senior Manager – Integrated Services and Lead Adults introduced a report to provide information on the function and purpose of the Transition Team for young people with Disabilities in Flintshire.  She advised that the report used case examples to illustrate how the Team worked and to demonstrate positive outcomes delivered for young people.  The report also identified key challenges for the Service where there are increasing numbers of younger people with complex needs.  The Senior Manager invited the Service Manager, Disability, Progression and Recovery, to present the case studies.

            Councillor Dave Mackie queried the costs for residential and non-residential placements and expressed concerns around the proposed increase in placement costs in the future.  He referred to the information provided in the report which gave an example of college placement costs and asked if a comparative data on local residential and non-residential provision could be provided.  Councillor Mackie also asked about respite provision.   The Senior Manager – Integrated Services and Lead Adults explained that if a young person went to a local college respite could be provided through a variety of ways.

In response to a question from Councillor Hilary McGuill concerning the payment of Direct Payments to young people who attend a residential college, the Service Manager, Disability, Progression and Recovery, explained that the only Direct Payment the young person received was for respite during the Summer holiday period.

Councillor McGuill asked if the Service was working with Northop Horticultural College and Deeside College to provide out of hours activities and fund this as an internal service.  The Service Manager, Disability, Progression and Recovery, explained that the Service was working with Northop College to develop ways to reduce costs and advised that the College had agreed to employ a person which would reduce the amount of personal care which the Service would have to provide to support students..

In response to a further question from Councillor McGuill regarding sex education, the Service Manager, Disability, Progression and Recovery, explained that Community Nurses generally had the expertise and resources to provide sex education to young people in colleges and schools.

Councillor Marion Bateman commented that there should not be a

financial benefit for the parents of young people who go to residential college.

Councillor Andy Dunbobbin commented on the 21st Century Schools programme and said there was a need to look at the education strategy alongside the transition strategy. 

In response to the comments and concerns raised by Members the Chief Officer explained that the Authority had done all it could to encourage young people, parents, to use the local colleges and facilities but ultimately  individuals had freedom of choice.

RESOLVED:

(a)       That the purpose of the Transition Service be noted; and

(b)       That the Committee recognised the action taken to reduce local college costs and encourage further efforts to achieve more resilience within the 21 Century Schools Programme.

 

46.

Rota Visits

To receive a verbal report from Members of the Committee.

Decision:

That the information be noted.

 

Minutes:

Councillor Kevin Hughes provided feedback on his positive visit to Marleyfield House and drew attention to a recent article which had appeared in the local press which had highlighted the homely and friendly environment and community spirit enjoyed by service users.

 

RESOLVED:

 

That the information be noted.

 

47.

Forward Work Programme (Social & Health Care) pdf icon PDF 72 KB

Additional documents:

Decision:

(a)       That the Forward Work Programme be updated accordingly; and

 

(b)       That the Facilitator, in consultation with the Chair of the Committee, be authorised to vary the Forward Work Programme between meetings, as the need arises.

 

Minutes:

The Facilitator presented the Forward Work Programme and advised that Out of County Placements would be an agenda item for consideration by the Committee at the meeting to be held on 29 March 2018.  She also advised that it had been agreed that a joint meeting of the Social & Health and Education & Youth Overview and Scrutiny Committees had been arranged on 24 May 2018.

 

In response to a request from the Committee, the Facilitator agreed to contact the Facilitator for the Community & Enterprise Overview & Scrutiny Committee to arrange a joint meeting before the departure of the Chief Officer (Community and Enterprise) at the end of April 2018. 

 

RESOLVED:

 

(a)       That the Forward Work Programme be updated accordingly; and

 

(b)       That the Facilitator, in consultation with the Chair of the Committee, be authorised to vary the Forward Work Programme between meetings, as the need arises.

 

48.

Members of the Press and Public in Attendance

Minutes:

There was one member of the press in attendance and no members of the public.

 

 

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